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		<title>Comment on Hipster&#8217;s Guide to Birmingham, AL by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@m. w. and @LiberalEliteMedia

I appreciate a self-aggrandizing, unsolicited tirade as much as the next guy, but did  you guys even read the post? At no point was it trying to insinuate that this is how one HAS to act or look in order to be a hipster in Birmingham. In fact, the post specifically states in the beginning that no one likes or self-referentially uses the term. It&#039;s just a name that currently refers loosely to a certain subculture. All of your judgements are aimed at a strawman based on stereotypes. 

The post is simply for people new to Bham--who might not be catered to by Birmingham&#039;s surface -level culture (yourselves included)--to have an easy way of integrating in with their own kind. Nothing more. The judgmental attitudes and negativity you guys are bringing isn&#039;t doing any good. If someone wants to dress a certain way, that doesn&#039;t necessarily say anything about their personality, just like looking &quot;eccentric&quot; doesn&#039;t mean that someone&#039;s interesting. Quit pretending to be outsiders and lets all just get along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@m. w. and @LiberalEliteMedia</p>
<p>I appreciate a self-aggrandizing, unsolicited tirade as much as the next guy, but did  you guys even read the post? At no point was it trying to insinuate that this is how one HAS to act or look in order to be a hipster in Birmingham. In fact, the post specifically states in the beginning that no one likes or self-referentially uses the term. It&#8217;s just a name that currently refers loosely to a certain subculture. All of your judgements are aimed at a strawman based on stereotypes. </p>
<p>The post is simply for people new to Bham&#8211;who might not be catered to by Birmingham&#8217;s surface -level culture (yourselves included)&#8211;to have an easy way of integrating in with their own kind. Nothing more. The judgmental attitudes and negativity you guys are bringing isn&#8217;t doing any good. If someone wants to dress a certain way, that doesn&#8217;t necessarily say anything about their personality, just like looking &#8220;eccentric&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean that someone&#8217;s interesting. Quit pretending to be outsiders and lets all just get along.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hipster&#8217;s Guide to Birmingham, AL by LiberalEliteMedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>LiberalEliteMedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3300&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@m. w.&lt;/a&gt; 
BAM!

Right on.  I&#039;ve never lived in Birmingham, but in other AL cities and similarly sized metro areas within a couple hundred miles.  This is kinda BS.  True hipsters only shop at American Apparel?  Maybe if you&#039;re a &quot;daddy pays for my alternative lifestyle even though I openly hate on him&quot; hipster...but I&#039;ve never met anyone worth knowing who insisted on such strict cliches as espoused in this article.

I get called a &quot;hipster&quot; on a regular basis, as do some of my friends, based on rough indicators that are irrelevant to a person&#039;s character.  Unfortunately, I can&#039;t help but feel insulted, even when I know someone doesn&#039;t know better.  This is basically why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3300" rel="nofollow">@m. w.</a><br />
BAM!</p>
<p>Right on.  I&#8217;ve never lived in Birmingham, but in other AL cities and similarly sized metro areas within a couple hundred miles.  This is kinda BS.  True hipsters only shop at American Apparel?  Maybe if you&#8217;re a &#8220;daddy pays for my alternative lifestyle even though I openly hate on him&#8221; hipster&#8230;but I&#8217;ve never met anyone worth knowing who insisted on such strict cliches as espoused in this article.</p>
<p>I get called a &#8220;hipster&#8221; on a regular basis, as do some of my friends, based on rough indicators that are irrelevant to a person&#8217;s character.  Unfortunately, I can&#8217;t help but feel insulted, even when I know someone doesn&#8217;t know better.  This is basically why.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hipster&#8217;s Guide to Birmingham, AL by m. w.</title>
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		<dc:creator>m. w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand about hipster culture is why you have to conform to certain clothing and aesthetic standards in order to fit in. I mean, wasn&#039;t the whole point (originally) to protest the banality of mainstream conformity and consumerism? So why is it so important that I have an asymmetrical haircut, tattoos and ironic eye glasses if I want to fit in at the Bottletree or Parkside? The bartenders there are so rude to me simply because I don&#039;t look or behave like their other patrons. But I have my own style and I like to dress originally, even a bit eccentrically at times... just not eccentric in the way that is approved by Vice magazine. If hipsters are sooo much more creative than the bourgeois masses, then why are they so afraid to be truly original, and dress or act in a way that is truly their own, and not copied from indie cliches? Maybe it is because they are perpetually paranoid of being perceived as uncool, which is a cultural disease originating from the narcicisstic materialism and corporate advertising of the mainstream. To me, hipsters are just those people who never grew out of the high school clique mentality, who feel a need to conform in order to be cool and accepted by their peers, and who are too uncomfortable in their own skin to step out and do something truly worthwhile and original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand about hipster culture is why you have to conform to certain clothing and aesthetic standards in order to fit in. I mean, wasn&#8217;t the whole point (originally) to protest the banality of mainstream conformity and consumerism? So why is it so important that I have an asymmetrical haircut, tattoos and ironic eye glasses if I want to fit in at the Bottletree or Parkside? The bartenders there are so rude to me simply because I don&#8217;t look or behave like their other patrons. But I have my own style and I like to dress originally, even a bit eccentrically at times&#8230; just not eccentric in the way that is approved by Vice magazine. If hipsters are sooo much more creative than the bourgeois masses, then why are they so afraid to be truly original, and dress or act in a way that is truly their own, and not copied from indie cliches? Maybe it is because they are perpetually paranoid of being perceived as uncool, which is a cultural disease originating from the narcicisstic materialism and corporate advertising of the mainstream. To me, hipsters are just those people who never grew out of the high school clique mentality, who feel a need to conform in order to be cool and accepted by their peers, and who are too uncomfortable in their own skin to step out and do something truly worthwhile and original.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Senate committee approves smoking ban sponsored by Vivian Davis Figures by Stuart Reb Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Reb Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1476&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Bo Holt&lt;/a&gt; 
You make great points.  If a restaurant wants be responsible and spend the extra $10,000 or $15,000 for a fully segregated smoking section and a filtration system then that would be great.  And yes, a business should be able to set it&#039;s on rules for such things.  Part of the problem is that restaurant owners have been lied to by the tobacco lobby that if they go smoke-free it will kill their business.  Actually the opposite is true, restaurants that go smoke-free see a boom in business since smokers make up only 20% of the US population.

The reality is that all public smoking should be banned but that is decades away.  Smokers have no more right to smoke where it can harm others than gun enthusiasts have to target practice in a public setting.  The Constitutional limits to all civil rights say that your rights end where they infringe on the rights of or endanger others. It is demonstrated by the example, &quot;the right to swing your fist ends at my nose.&quot; The dangers of second-hand smoke are irrefutable.

So as you can see I agree with your point of view - we should not have barred smoking at restaurants we should have barred smoking in any public setting.  Unfortunately we have to do it in small steps.  Restaurants today, the state tomorrow.  But until then if a restaurant wants to serve food and allow smoking they still can; they just have to obtain a lounge license instead of a restaurant license.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1476" rel="nofollow">@Bo Holt</a><br />
You make great points.  If a restaurant wants be responsible and spend the extra $10,000 or $15,000 for a fully segregated smoking section and a filtration system then that would be great.  And yes, a business should be able to set it&#8217;s on rules for such things.  Part of the problem is that restaurant owners have been lied to by the tobacco lobby that if they go smoke-free it will kill their business.  Actually the opposite is true, restaurants that go smoke-free see a boom in business since smokers make up only 20% of the US population.</p>
<p>The reality is that all public smoking should be banned but that is decades away.  Smokers have no more right to smoke where it can harm others than gun enthusiasts have to target practice in a public setting.  The Constitutional limits to all civil rights say that your rights end where they infringe on the rights of or endanger others. It is demonstrated by the example, &#8220;the right to swing your fist ends at my nose.&#8221; The dangers of second-hand smoke are irrefutable.</p>
<p>So as you can see I agree with your point of view &#8211; we should not have barred smoking at restaurants we should have barred smoking in any public setting.  Unfortunately we have to do it in small steps.  Restaurants today, the state tomorrow.  But until then if a restaurant wants to serve food and allow smoking they still can; they just have to obtain a lounge license instead of a restaurant license.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Will Save Birmingham? Pride by Mars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don C&#039;s comments exemplify &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; what keeps Birmingham merely dragging on.

As for Sun Ra... Think about what a New Orleans resident would say if someone pointed out that the city had produced a great musician, internationally known, who wore wild clothes and espoused unusual ideas.  &quot;Yes! And let me tell you about all of the other ones!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don C&#8217;s comments exemplify <em>exactly</em> what keeps Birmingham merely dragging on.</p>
<p>As for Sun Ra&#8230; Think about what a New Orleans resident would say if someone pointed out that the city had produced a great musician, internationally known, who wore wild clothes and espoused unusual ideas.  &#8220;Yes! And let me tell you about all of the other ones!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hipster&#8217;s Guide to Birmingham, AL by Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hipsters eat food? I thought they sustained themselves on a strict diet of unoriginality and self-generating angst at the fact that no matter what cool thing they do, wear, say, or listen to, they can never escape the fact that they are lame. They are always full.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hipsters eat food? I thought they sustained themselves on a strict diet of unoriginality and self-generating angst at the fact that no matter what cool thing they do, wear, say, or listen to, they can never escape the fact that they are lame. They are always full.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Praying for Oil to Touchdown Jesus: Counting the Hits and Ignoring the Misses by Robert</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is unfortunate that politicians in Louisiana are appealing to god to solve this problem (or more accurately, pandering to the religious fundamentalism in the deep south to take the focus off of the oil company(s) responsible for it- oil companies that, by the way, put them into office - ), but lets not make the same mistake here. Yes, religious fundamentalism is ridiculous, and in this case a total farce, but doesn&#039;t focusing our attention on the prayer issue serve to take the heat off of the oil companies, by re-framing the discussion around religious fundamentalism? I think we should take care not to lose focus on the real issues here the true cause of this oil spill, which in my mind are 1. our nations oil addiction, 2. Big Oil (in this case BP and Haliburton), and  3. the way they control our government. Because if those things dont change, this wont be the last one of these babies, you can bet of that. Easy oil is gone, or almost gone, we are practically looking under the couch cushions for it these days- (miles under rock and water in delicate ecosystems), and its only going to get worse. So if you guys do decide to clean up the beaches as Kristen said, be sure not to drive an SUV  down there, or anywhere for that matter, also don&#039;t let your hands touch a BP gas pump, not at least until all of the oil damage has been cleaned up (probably not for the rest of your life), because these guys only understand one thing- profit, and as long as the people play their game, it wont change. Also, if you meet any of the representatives of BP directing this &quot;clean up&quot; be sure to give them the finger for me, there not your friends, they are only &quot;cleaning up&quot; the mess they made, and they will do the least amount of clean up possible, as they have done so repeatedly in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is unfortunate that politicians in Louisiana are appealing to god to solve this problem (or more accurately, pandering to the religious fundamentalism in the deep south to take the focus off of the oil company(s) responsible for it- oil companies that, by the way, put them into office &#8211; ), but lets not make the same mistake here. Yes, religious fundamentalism is ridiculous, and in this case a total farce, but doesn&#8217;t focusing our attention on the prayer issue serve to take the heat off of the oil companies, by re-framing the discussion around religious fundamentalism? I think we should take care not to lose focus on the real issues here the true cause of this oil spill, which in my mind are 1. our nations oil addiction, 2. Big Oil (in this case BP and Haliburton), and  3. the way they control our government. Because if those things dont change, this wont be the last one of these babies, you can bet of that. Easy oil is gone, or almost gone, we are practically looking under the couch cushions for it these days- (miles under rock and water in delicate ecosystems), and its only going to get worse. So if you guys do decide to clean up the beaches as Kristen said, be sure not to drive an SUV  down there, or anywhere for that matter, also don&#8217;t let your hands touch a BP gas pump, not at least until all of the oil damage has been cleaned up (probably not for the rest of your life), because these guys only understand one thing- profit, and as long as the people play their game, it wont change. Also, if you meet any of the representatives of BP directing this &#8220;clean up&#8221; be sure to give them the finger for me, there not your friends, they are only &#8220;cleaning up&#8221; the mess they made, and they will do the least amount of clean up possible, as they have done so repeatedly in the past.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Environmentalists Present McWane Inc Case as Reason to Amend Clean Water Act by PaydayrorpGow</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 03:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Praying for Oil to Touchdown Jesus: Counting the Hits and Ignoring the Misses by DEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on What Will Save Birmingham? Pride by John</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 03:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An inferiority complex has long been characteristic of Birmingham. A 1960 &quot;Metropolitan Audit&quot; performed by the Southern Institute of Management found Birmingham residents to tend toward defensiveness and negative attitudes, concluding that the city suffered an &quot;uncertainty of self and others.&quot; It tentatively ascribed this attitude to the city&#039;s youth, and the historical context in which it was built, and suggested ways to overcome such negativity by the aggressive application of community planning.

http://www.bhamwiki.com/w/Birmingham_Metropolitan_Audit

If the diagnosis remains pertinent, I think the proposed treatment might still be worth trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An inferiority complex has long been characteristic of Birmingham. A 1960 &#8220;Metropolitan Audit&#8221; performed by the Southern Institute of Management found Birmingham residents to tend toward defensiveness and negative attitudes, concluding that the city suffered an &#8220;uncertainty of self and others.&#8221; It tentatively ascribed this attitude to the city&#8217;s youth, and the historical context in which it was built, and suggested ways to overcome such negativity by the aggressive application of community planning.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bhamwiki.com/w/Birmingham_Metropolitan_Audit" rel="nofollow">http://www.bhamwiki.com/w/Birmingham_Metropolitan_Audit</a></p>
<p>If the diagnosis remains pertinent, I think the proposed treatment might still be worth trying.</p>
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